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My husbands work is being sneaky with the job keeper. Where can I report it?

Answered 2 years ago

They have reduced his hours to only what will be covered by the job keeper, so instead of them paying hom, the government is. Even though the still have work for him.


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2 years ago
I’m not sure how it’s sneaky?

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2 years ago
The company still has plenty of business. They still have plenty of money coming in. But they will only give him as many hours as is covered under the job keeper, so they can pay him through that, not the company's money.

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2 years ago
So he would be getting more pay??? Not sneaky at all as long as he’s working the hours the company tells the ato and Centrelink.
You’re a dick head to report this, it’s not illegal and the company will know someone has

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2 years ago
Ummm...did you even read it. No, he's getting significantly less money. He's working less hours and getting less money. The company he works for is doing just fine, but we really aren't!

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2 years ago
I swear to god, people on here are losing their minds. They are so quick to have a reaction and go off. Shame on them. Just ignore her comment, clearly she did not read it and I hope instead of getting all huffy puffy, just walks away and takes some me time.

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2 years ago
Is he getting the $1500 though???? That’s better than putting him off. It’s Not your business if the hours are there or not. How do you know there’s more hours available and how do you know the business is doing just fine?
It’s tough times for everyone , maybe they are doing it so that their business still exists after all this. Or maybe they are putting on my staff so less people will be out of work.
Who knows ?!?!

It’s legal, companies are doing this everywhere so there’s still jobs and companies after things calm down.

Contracts don’t mean much at the moment. You obviously have your panties in a twist so call fair work tomorrow and get it clarified. I definitely wouldn’t be giving your details though as he would be the first without a job if and when the company is forced to put people off.

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2 years ago
I’m the person. Who wrote not sure who it’s sneaky, and basically ^ comment is my whole reply.

You have no clue what their financials are, how much work they have.
If they had the work for him he would get it surely. It wouldn’t do them any any favours to put staff off when there is work there.
There literally no benefit for them to be understaffed if they are busy.

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2 years ago
Yes but you have no clue either- so I just don’t get your aggression. Perhaps she is telling the absolute truth.. this is the type of time when people would find it hard to resist to screw the system if they can access so much money. Think about it

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2 years ago
You do realise they aren’t even getting this money right now and it’s out of their pockets at the moment?
Also I wasn’t the comment that said dickhead but all the other sentiments were true

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2 years ago
All enquires should go to fair work Australia, I’m reporting a company for forcing the workers on 12 hour per week contract to work full time to make up the $750 payment. They basically said “ we are not paying you to sit on your arse and do nothing”. They don’t get that the government is paying the workers, not them. Jerks.

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2 years ago
That’s perfectly legal as well. It means they have a job to go to after things have calmed down. They are allowed to quit and go straight on jobseeker and get jobseeker plus the $550 supplement

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2 years ago
Is it really?

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2 years ago
No it’s not legal. I checked. They can reduce hours but cannot make you work more than your contracted hours.

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2 years ago
Yes not legal

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2 years ago
so he's working his hourly rate / Jobkeeper?

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2 years ago
His work has calculated how many hours he can work based on the job keeper payment divided by his hourly rate. Then he is only allowed to work that many hours now, even though he was on a fulltime contract and there's enough work.

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2 years ago
That sucks. like you said with rent 50% of your income it must be tough. Good luck finding work.

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2 years ago
With her husband making $900 a week previously, they would also be able to get family tax benefit A & B (make sure that you update your yearly income estimate in line with what your husband is earning now so you get the full rate if you weren’t before), so if you’re not already getting that, you should apply. You could probably also get partnered parenting payment (if you weren’t eligible before, you probably would be now) also, your husband can prove a drop in his wages so he will be able to withdraw super. Make sure you apply for low income health care card too to help with medical expenses.

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2 years ago
Nothing to report- they can legally do it.

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2 years ago
Under certain reasonable situations. The example on ATO was that a nail salon closes, this is quite distant from that scenario...She states that the hours are still there and needed.

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2 years ago
But how does she know the hours are still there and needed??? Does she run the company
She should be grateful he’s still bringing in an income in this tough time

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2 years ago
Well how does she know..? Hmm because her husband had a full time job there and he may have a lot of knowledge..much more than you

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2 years ago
Employers are eligible for the JobKeeper payment if all of the following apply:

On 1 March 2020, you carried on a business in Australia or were a not-for-profit organisation that pursued your objectives principally in Australia.
You employed at least one eligible employee on 1 March 2020.
Your eligible employees are currently employed by your business for the fortnights you claim for (including those who are stood down or re-hired).
*****Your business has faced either a
30% fall in turnover (for an aggregated turnover of $1 billion or less)
50% fall in turnover (for an aggregated turnover of more than $1 billion)
15% fall in turnover (for ACNC-registered charities other than universities and schools).

So they would have had to have had a 30% fall in turnover, so they probably aren't doing as well as you think.

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2 years ago
..this is absolutely irrelevant to her question. BTW all these companies applying for Jobkeeper aren’t actually confirmed they will be approved and can lose significant money because of the downpayment they need to make to their workers and then may find they were not elegible. The post below points out what is legal.

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2 years ago
It's hard to explain. He is a food delivery driver, so there was still enough work for him to stay permanent fulltime (as per his contract). But in the last week they have told him he can only work a set amount of hours so he can be eligible for the job keeper.

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2 years ago
Not being rude, but surely a delivery driver wouldn’t make much more than $1500 a fortnight anyway.... my husband went through a patch of having to find work a couple of years ago and delivery drivers don’t earn much at all. I know that people set their budget up around what money they usually have coming in, but maybe you’ll have to adjust and just be grateful he still has a job at all. Enjoy having him home more often maybe.

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2 years ago
I hate it when people assume someone else’s income. Maybe he works for a better paying company than your husband did. Maybe her husband does more hours than your husband did. Maybe he works nights so gets a higher rate of pay than your husband did. Why would she come on here and lie if she’s after suggestions for her situation?

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2 years ago
Generally he would clear around $900 a week, now he is getting around $650. Our rent alone is $450. And we have 4 kids. I am a sahm/student. We are both frantically applying for jobs. A drop of $250 a week makes a big difference for us.

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2 years ago
If he is getting jobkeeper look into if you can job seeker for yourself. You are exempt from looking for work and the assets test atm

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2 years ago
My husband didn’t work as a delivery driver (though his brother does manage a frozen food delivery company) he was looking for work, but didn’t take any of the delivery driver jobs they were offering because even with regular overtime, even the best paying jobs weren’t near enough to what we needed to make. I’m not assuming, I’m making an educated guess. I’m not without sympathy, but his company is within their rights. Your husband should be able to access his super if need be, since he can prove he has lost income because of Covid 19. It might not be what you want to do, but at least it’s there to fall back on.

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2 years ago
*also, I didn’t call her a liar. If they are able to meet their contracts with their employees working less hours, then obviously they are not being sneaky, they are just cutting back to bare necessity (maybe so that the company makes it through).

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2 years ago
They can legally do this, fairwork laws changed when the Jobkeeper package was released to allow it.
My employer has done it too, Divided our hourly rate by $750 and gave us a maximum amount if hours we can work evem though we are all on contracts to work many more hours.
I've been to fairwork and my union and it's all above board unfortunately. So many loop holes.

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2 years ago
It’s not really loop holes, it’s how they did it to help the companies keep employees in jobs and companies running

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2 years ago
We are in the same boat. It's disgusting.

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2 years ago
That truly sucks. I think search ATO community forum... I found this link to your topic.

.it starts with.. h ttps://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/flexibility-in-workplace-laws-during-coronavirus/jobkeeper-changes-to-the-fair-work-act


Direction to reduce hours or days of work – JobKeeper enabling stand down directions

The new provisions enable a qualifying employer to direct an eligible employee to work fewer hours or days (including no hours) in certain circumstances.

These directions are called ‘JobKeeper enabling stand down directions’. Employers can only give an employee a JobKeeper enabling stand down direction if the employee can't be usefully employed for their normal days or hours because of changes to the business that are attributable to:

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2 years ago
Just remove the gap in h ttps from link

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2 years ago
Thank you.

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2 years ago
Hope it helps x

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2 years ago
Even if you come to give up this is too difficult situation, please go through and ask the hotline or on the forum there.. asking is important and it helps everyone get an idea. I know being so vulnerable it’s easy to give up.. but get absolute clarification before you make that decision.

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2 years ago
Thats what my daughters employer has done too, i think its legal.