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What do you think of the governments changes to jobkeeper & jobseeker payments? Are they fair?

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2 years ago
People need to look for 4 jobs a month or study

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2 years ago
Pretty sure they have to apply for 4 jobs a month not just look for them

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2 years ago
I think they also need to register with an employment service

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2 years ago
Actually that had all been suspended for months

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2 years ago
Its not meant to be more than of you were working,so those who were getting $1500 when normally they would earn less should have to pay it back. The same as those winging about it beingreduced. It is an intrim payment you should be actively applying for jobs or studying or retraining. Not pretending or applying for jobs you are not qualified to do just to fill numbers. Likewise dont apply for places that only predominantly teenagers fast food etc. Ifyou can afford tattoos, alcohol and smokes on centrelink you should not be getting a payment. Those are not essentials!

I do not go to work and get abused to pay tax for people to spend money on booze, drugs and alcohol then cry poor me.

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2 years ago
You cant afford tattoos, booze or drugs on centrelink, they are all very expensive. It’s a myth that you can live that life style on benefits. People who do those things mostly work.

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2 years ago
^a lot of them work cash in hand while getting centrelink.

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2 years ago
I have tattoos, and I'm working, and it literally takes me 18 months to save for one. There's no way i could afford it on centrelink

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2 years ago
I half agree with the tattoo thing but you probably get them at reputable places lol.

My husband has a lot of tattoos and they start from about $500.
But you would have bad tottoo artist charging cheap rates in dodgy areas.
My brother has a tattoo his friend did for free at home with their own tattoo gun, that’s pretty common in lower socioeconomic economic areas.

People who say they can afford this that and the other don’t realise who bad areas have their own economy for things.
When you steal cigarettes you can sell them super cheap cos they didn’t cost you anything.
When you buy a attatoo gun you can sell your friends tattooos for 50 bucks and do it from home.

Most of Australia really is so sheltered from how poor areas actually run.

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2 years ago
So right

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2 years ago
They qerw too high to begin with. Should be based on sliding scale of what person earnt pre covid. Not more. Pensioners didnt get much yet have the same expenses.

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2 years ago
Pensioners got an extra $1500 as opposed to around $6000 (give or take some) That's great for those that really need it, not so much for the bludger that boast about their tax payers paid holiday

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2 years ago
Exactly carers and pensions who do it a lot harder missed out. Jobseekers get vouchers for food, fuel, clothing through job agencies. Also job agencies help with resues, training, employment and other necessities. There is PLENTY of help there for job seekers. They are not that hard done by as they have you believe. They just need to ask their job agency for the help they need.

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2 years ago
Meanwhile $1500 does not go far when you have specialists, special food or clothing, medical aids, therapies. Food prices going up and bills have too. Rent increases yes its not meant to, but its happen.

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2 years ago
I would have loved $6000 for myself.
I think it should have been equal or not at all. We are all doing it tough.

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2 years ago
Concession meds is cheap
Yes some meds aren’t on concession

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2 years ago
No need to buy high end clothes and buy clothes often
I have 8 knickers and 2 bras and hand wash daily in shower
Have 4 jamas

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2 years ago
You have more clothes than me. Mine have holes in them. Concession doesnt get you much discount, most meds arent covered and prices can start at $45.

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2 years ago
Kmart is not high end lol I dont own one high end item in my house. All kmart of amart cheap as.

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2 years ago
Most pensioners conveniently forgot the own houses. Your sitting on a $1 million investment but still want handouts.

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2 years ago
That's a very broad statement. How many pensioners do you know personally that are in this situation?

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2 years ago
probably read it on the internet

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2 years ago
Hope your day gets better 💜🧡💛💚💙

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2 years ago
^^^ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I guess you DID read it on the internet then ❤

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2 years ago
Pensioners own houses because back then they could afford to buy houses. They shouldnt be punished when thwy have paid tax since they started working. They earnt what little they get by paying taxes long before u or i.

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2 years ago
As someone who works in aged care many had to sell their homes or were forced out by greedy kids. Happens all too often then those "loving kids" take money and drop mum and dad in a shitty care facility. You shouldnt assume everyone has their own home.

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2 years ago
Why do you need a house if your living in a facility?

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2 years ago
Maybe they want to leave it to their children when they pass away

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2 years ago
Carers get $944 fortnight. That equates to $4 max per hour again carers are 24/7 not 9 to 5 (5days week) I think people should consider themselves lucky.

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2 years ago
Sorry $2.80 per hour. So that extra $550 could have helped carers as well but they missed out.

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2 years ago
👍👍

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2 years ago
Pensioner rates are terrible. Its so sad

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2 years ago
Jobkeeper should only of existed for permanent part time and full time workers who could maintain their job in some format with a downturn in business - ie the business is still able to operate at a determinable minimum capacity (say 70%) and the employee was still required to complete their shifts. If the business was not able to operate and the employer not able to continue working they should of been given the option to take leave with no pay and access to a jobseeker derivative to supplement at the same rate as jobseeker providing the business could guarantee their employee a job after covid. If not they should of been forced to find other work or go on jobseeker. The jobkeeper payment should of been on a sliding scale dependant on permanent hours worked, not one payment fits all. All casual workers should of been pushed onto jobseeker if they were unable to secure other work because quite frankly that is the nature of casual work. Jobseeker should of had an increase to accomodate the increased cost of living - I think they have it about right on the 2nd time around (the decreased amount). I think their should of been monthly reporting around jobkeeper.

I think that all people accessing jobkeeper and jobseeker should of been subject to an available income test. If they have the money in the bank to support themselves, then they should of been doing that prior to being able to claim either payment.

At the moment the system is a black hole of fraud and over payment.

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2 years ago
Isn't all business

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2 years ago
businesses?

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2 years ago
SIL is claiming 1500 jobseeker while still working her 20 hours a week....wont help out and do extra shifts because it means she is ' working for free'

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2 years ago
*JobKeeper not JobSeeker

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2 years ago
What does that mean?

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2 years ago
Her employer is not allowed to ask her to work more than the hours she was working before jobkeeper started.
Good on her for sticking to her guns , so many employers are abusing the system unlawfully making staff work the extra hours

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2 years ago
^The employers shouldnt be abusing the system but likewise the government shouldnt have been paying people who worked part time a full time wage. It was bound to cause issues.

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2 years ago
I agree. They should have begun the payments from a particular point in time. For example if you were already on newstart, say prior to January 1st, then you should not be eligble for jobseeker

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2 years ago
Yes, the extra payments should have only been for those who actually lost a job.

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2 years ago
^^ Yessssssss. Thankyou

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2 years ago
I'm getting Jobkeeper and doing 5 times the hours I was before. Not complaining either, just grateful that I can support my family.

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2 years ago

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2 years ago
Depends on your job contract. My friend is working 60+ hours a week because her part time staff refuse to do more hours than their contracted minimum. She's on salary so even though on JK herself she has no choice.

When JK ends they staff will be whinging again that they need more hours. They'll be too late. She's giving shifts to staff from other areas of the business who appreciate their jobs & once it ends they'll be the ones she trusts & gives first choice of work too.

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2 years ago
If your friend was my friend, I’d agree and understand what she plans to do..but as she isn’t I’m questioning this. Is this really fair? Why should workers work more when the pay is being covered for the employer. They are contracted a certain amount of hours- they have previously organised their life around those hours, and now you want them to stretch more work ours in.. having already a tight schedule myself, this would be unfair

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2 years ago
^^its not that simple though, people work part time for various reasons like kids and elderly parents. They may not be able to just pick up extra shifts because they are being paid more. The government shoud have covered their normal wage for their normal hours, no more and no less.

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2 years ago
What about those who have put their health and family member's health at risk being made to work through all of this and are still paying tax? I know a lot of people doing nothing for their $750 when I work 4 days in an unsafe environment and take home less than that.

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2 years ago
If ur qork enviroment is unsafe take it to WHS union.

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2 years ago
^slow clap for the above comment. Pretty much any public facing job is unsafe right now. I agree with the first comment. My husband and I work in public facing jobs and we got pay cuts.

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2 years ago
Pay cuts or just not a pay rise?

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2 years ago
No, a pay cut. 20%, but due to working for unis we dont qualify for job keeper. I know heaps of people who have had pay cuts so Im suprised you even asked.

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2 years ago
Sorry you're offended, it was just a question. I don't know amyone thats had a paycut.

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2 years ago
My husband took a 20% pay cut too.....

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2 years ago
Public facing job? I haven’t heard this before..what does that mean?

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2 years ago
^Im the one with the paycut. I wasnt offended, just genuinely suprised you didnt know anyone who had taken a pay cut becuase the majority of my friends have across lots of industries.

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2 years ago
My cousins partner lives at home and pays no bills and goes out twice a day for meals and gambles on dogs

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2 years ago
Maybe it will encourage those who can work to return to work. It’s not money to bludge off.

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2 years ago
That's one of the conditions. They need to look for work

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2 years ago
those on 'jobkeeper' are working ..

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2 years ago
She doesn't understand how it works

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2 years ago
I don't either

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2 years ago
Brainstorm

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2 years ago
Good. Now for the fun part when it's all over. PAYING IT BACK.

Say hello to

Budget Cuts - Lots of them
Public sector job cuts
Higher Taxes or no more tax cuts
Possible Increase to GST
Stricter criteria to access services.

Going to be a fun decade or two to pay this baxk

Hope it's all worth the free ride now.

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2 years ago
The next decade or two would look a whole lot worse if they didn’t do it

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2 years ago
The Chinese government should be financially sanctioned.

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2 years ago
$550 download to $250 definitely NOT fair. How do we appeal this decision 😬

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2 years ago
I think they're keeping it for a little longer but jobseeker is now going to have conditions attached to it

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2 years ago
Consider yourself lucky you were getting extra money anyway. Many people got no extra

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2 years ago
Yes, she better consider herself lucky. How dare she joke about it

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2 years ago
Those people getting extra money for a months have always been underpaid so I say good for them.

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2 years ago
Poor people not getting more money. Cry me a river.

What about people that are really propping up the economy. The ones working and paying taxes.

They get nothing except the privelidge of paying it back at the end

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2 years ago
Funny, you & your mates were probably begging for government handouts for the hard done by investors. Don't worry darl your negative gearing and franking credits are safe. Crazy how you don't see that as a government handout. Always the victims.

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2 years ago
^^ Yes, this

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2 years ago
Thanks for your concern sweetheart but you needn't waste your time on everybody else ❤

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2 years ago
I think what they’ve done with Jobkeeper is fair but think they should have kept the Covid Supplement a little higher, maybe $300/$350 pf and they should have guranteed it till March like they’ve done with Jobkeeper.

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2 years ago
You cant keep paying people who aren't working the same amount as people who are, because there are costs involved in going to work, meaning people work a 40 hour week and end up worse off.

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2 years ago
I wish there was some way they could weed out those that genuinely need it from those that think with is one big friggin paid holiday

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2 years ago
I dont think there are many taking the piss out of it.

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2 years ago
Just the bludgers that have been on it for years and don't even bother looking for a job

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2 years ago
It is so easy to say get a job!!! There is 10269 jobs available in Perth according to seek right now and how many unemployed people? Then you get people who have been out of the work force for how ever many years due to raising kids, illness or what ever. It is not so easy to get a job in practice.

I understand there is people who take advantage of the system but there is a lot of people that need it. If given the choice I think most people would prefer to work.

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2 years ago
Exactly raising kids kills career as those year off are seen as a negative. You have to retrain or hope you old employer will take you back. Because otherwise its an up hill battle. I had to retrain and even then with covid getting a job when no one is actually interviewing despite advertiaing is hard. They can advertise all they want but 80% are not interviewing atm or starting until covid settles. Fact from employeers.

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2 years ago
I've never understood job keeper. Maybe I'm a bit slow (pregnancy brain lol) but my friends get it and they still work so I understand why the top up? Not having a dig I genuinely don't understand it.

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2 years ago
The government is subsidising wages so instead of being laid off, they still get paid thru payroll. Its bullshit that done employers rort it. I wouldn't be working if its not my employer paying my wage.

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2 years ago
Absolutely. It was said from the start it was a temporary measure & it would be phased out.