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ANSWER
2 years ago
I think Christians have been a subdued force in Australia. They don’t yell, scream, become abusive or rock the boat. Israel posted a QUOTE from the Bible. Probably his reading for the day. Christians believe the Bible is God breathed. They have every right to those beliefs - just as others choose not to. I have to read what some idiot has put in the school curriculum about gender dysmorphia for year 5 students - and it is their OWN opinion and it is going to affect my kids. Folau posted something from an accepted text written 2000 years ago and he lost his livelihood and has been attacked for his beliefs. Christians are now raising their voices through donations to fight this injustice. They will turn him into a martyr - an icon for Christian freedom. The constant negative media and personal attacks on him are turning more and more people to his aid. All voting with their pockets, their Government votes, and the choices they are making with news broadcasters.

If you want to be standing on the majority at the end of this, I suggest you get over your rants and stand up for the person who is victimised - like you would for any other person who didn’t happen to hold a Christian belief. Imagine someone quoted the Bill of Rights - all men are created equal - and then the Disability service caused you to be sacked for your biased hate speech and ignorant comments. Don’t kill the messenger.

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2 years ago
Christians are some of the most judgemental and Abusive people I’ve met. I grew up in a Christian home where men were violent and controlling and treated everyone like shit. Stop believing people who are religious are not perfect

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2 years ago
The last quote that he posted before his sacking was not a direct quote from the bible, it was a list of those that were going to hell! He could have chosen any number of positive messages from the bible to share but instead he chose to share a message that condoned and judged majority of the population. Like most religious people he is a hypocrite who seems to just pick and choose what parts of the bible he will live by...obviously he does not have an issue with tattoos, greed and judgement of his fellow man!

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2 years ago
Your accepted text is not accepted by me

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2 years ago
“ Christians are some of the most judgemental and Abusive people I’ve met. I grew up in a Christian home where men were violent and controlling and treated everyone like shit.”

You didn’t grow up in a Christian home. You grew up in an abusive home with sadistic men. Don’t blame God or Christianity for your families failings 🙄

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2 years ago
I believe freedom of religion is an important part of the diversity of Australia. I do not believe that a person should use their religion as a weapon against people who are not a part of, or accepted in that religion.

"God loves all"
Excepts the gays, we don't like those
Or trans people
Or Jews
Or Muslims

Pedo's are good though, we like those.

Fucken religion *rolls eyes*

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1 year ago
Well come on what do you think now??

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2 years ago
You poor people who follow mans way and not gods. Israel folau you are a warrior of god. If the none believers read the bible , 2000 years ago god put down what is going to happen. Its started, wake up.

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2 years ago
Why are we all so upset about hell for gays? I'm more worried about hell for drunks and fornicators. That'd wipe out most of our population 😁

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2 years ago
Good on him. I'd like to shake his hand and buy him a beer.

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2 years ago
He put in a $100k and wanted his fans and public to put in $3 million? Dreaming! He breached his contract and got fired. His own damn fault. If he wants to sight unfair dismissal and fight it - then sell your assets and do it yourself! Absolute idiot!

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2 years ago
*The more you know rainbow*

(Disclaimer) This is in no way intended as a criticism of you! You sound like a lovely and intelligent person! Just thought you might like to know, but if not that's fine, ignore me! Your point above is valid and I'm not in any way trying to discredit it!

The word you are looking for is 'cite' not 'sight', as in citation.

Hope you have a lovely day, carry on.

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2 years ago
Lol we are all so much more knowledgeable after you pointed out someone's typo 😂😂

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2 years ago
I know most people are probably aware, but on the off chance someone doesn't know, I want them to find out in a pleasant and non-threatening way, with the best of intentions!

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2 years ago
It wasn’t a typo cite and sight literally have 2 letters in common the rest are no where near each other and different lengths.

It was a common error .

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2 years ago
He sets my ‘gaydar’ off. We will see him in Womans Weekly in 10 years with his new gay lover.....

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2 years ago
I reckon Israel himself needs to come out of the closet 🧔🧔

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2 years ago
Israel foul is certainly entitled to freedom of speech, as we all are. Could you imagine however if we all spoke aloud, about what offends us or what we see is wrong. We'd be living in a war torn country full of hate and retaliation instead of one of the luckiest and most beautiful places in the world 💙

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2 years ago
That’s why we don’t have freedom of speech in australia.

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2 years ago
But what he is saying does fall under Australia’s version of “free speech” as he didn’t go to jail or was punished in any way by the government.

And you’re right calling out bullshit is what makes australia one of the lucky places

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2 years ago
I don’t follow sports but I support Israel Falou. He is spreading a message to save those condemned souls so they can spend eternity in the arms of god. Praise Israel for spreading the heavenly message and standing up for our Christian rights to spread the word of god and help those who need saving ✝️

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2 years ago
My soul doesn't need solving. Thankyou anyway

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2 years ago
^^saving^^

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2 years ago
Leave my soul alone it doesn't need to be contaminated by likes of you. It's full of love & lust for life. I like knowing that i will die having experienced all parts of life & not helded back on anything. Can you say the same?

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2 years ago
^ not dying - going to heaven. Willing to be abused online and listen to everything against me you want to say because I hope one day you will question your beliefs and join us there. 💖

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2 years ago
I dont usually coment on here because every one seems so angry and agressive but I think you are all just finding out thru the donations to him how many quiet christians there really are in Australia.

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2 years ago
You mean judgemental Australians

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2 years ago
I think that the people that are donating are middle age/ older white men who have their panties in a twist thinking that that is a freedom of speech issue!

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2 years ago
Quiet Christians? HA

Where were ya'll at election time

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2 years ago
They have alot of extra money with all those government funded investment properties

ANSWER
2 years ago
I'd say he's maybe a 6/10. I mean, I'd do him, but I wouldn't tell anyone.
He's certainly not my favourite looking footy player.

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2 years ago
😂😂😂

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2 years ago
😂

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2 years ago
6? Put your glasses on sis, he's a mid-range 3 at best

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2 years ago
Loser

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2 years ago
I am an Austrlian born muslim, i am 33 years old female.
I couldnt care less what people say or believe but he broke the rules.
Also. I find it amusing that anything to do with this, people bring up muslims. Wish we were living in an educated world

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2 years ago
I'm have a look at the nations Muslims are emigrating (fleeing) from.

Yeah, real educated. Savages.

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2 years ago
People bring up muslims because some of the people who are against Folau would be trying to protect their religious freedom, just like a lot of those who are trying to protect his religious freedom would be crying about how muslims don’t belong in our society. It would be a total change on both sides.

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2 years ago
The first response. Umm your message sounds like you are intelligent 😂😂

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2 years ago
Beheading homosexuals isn't savage?

Stoning women to dearth for premarital sex after being raped isn't savage?

Piss off and open your eyes to the world.

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2 years ago
Savagery isn’t exclusive to Islam. Not even exclusive to those who follow a particular faith be that Islam or Christianity or anything else. It’s humans. And some use religion to justify it.

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2 years ago
Lol..who?

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2 years ago
I think he's being an idiot BUT it bothers me that there are rules at all about what people are "allowed to say" now, especially about their religious beliefs (which I think are nonsense, but that's beside the point). Saying someone's going to hell is meaningless. It's like he thinks they won't make it to the Egyptian afterlife. It doesn't matter. It's not the same as saying he hates them, discriminates against them, or means them harm. Why isn't he allowed to say it?

I am an atheist but I believe in freedom of religion. Someone should be allowed to say "in my Pastafarian religion people who don't believe in the noodle god are going straight to eternal menstruation", without fear of being punished or losing their job.

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2 years ago
It’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster, not noodle god. Now you know next time you use the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s name in blasphemy may get you thrown into the burning pit of constipation 😂
I’m just kidding but maybe buy a new colander to place over your head 😂

ANSWER
2 years ago
Why are people saying he is “quoting from the bible “ at no point has a book or verse been listed & in my biblical knowledge I don’t recall anywhere in the bible that anything is listed as it was in his post.

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2 years ago
1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 KJV

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2 years ago
“Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:9-10‬ ‭NLT

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2 years ago
*Mike Drop*

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2 years ago
Who cares if he’s quoting from the bible? It really comes down to his intent. Why is he quoting that? To incite hate? That is what his club is saying .

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2 years ago
He is saying it is to spread the word of God and to help those who have sinned to repent their sins. Israel Folau was spreading this message for love and to help those condemned for an eternity of hell. His intent was one of love and kindness not hate and divide 👼 ✝️

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2 years ago
^ well it didn’t work did it?

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2 years ago
^ pretty sure it is the best known bible quote at the moment. Certainly the most talked about. Certainly getting some attention now.

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2 years ago
^ perhaps. But for him personally, it backfired. I’m sure he wouldnt have posted it if he knew he was going to lose his contact.

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2 years ago
^ I think he would have posted it anyway. It isn’t a personal feeling or opinion, it is just whatever he is reading at the moment. It “spoke” to his heart and he shared it in his media platform with his followers. It’s not about weighing every word, it’s about sharing what is happening in his life at that moment. That is why the backlash is so sad.

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2 years ago
Did you know that the most common of any book sold is the bible? And I thought cosmopolitan magazine was full of shit.

ANSWER
2 years ago
He's a hero. Total champ.

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2 years ago
Bigot

ANSWER
2 years ago
He is a wanker but calling it hate speech is a bit much! Research it a bit, hate speech is what is happening in South Africa right now! Where people call for the murder and torture of of farmers!!! Perspective people!!

ANSWER
2 years ago
I don’t see how what he said is homophobic. There is no such thing as hell and the bible is all bullshit anyway. If you believe in it then you must already know the punishment for homosexuality according to the bible, if you don’t then it can’t be offensive. Either way Israel is just regurgitating the bullshit he has been brainwashed into believing. As a drunk adulterous fornicator I found no offence in the dribble he posted.

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2 years ago
Drunk adulterous fornicator 😂

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2 years ago
He had no need to open his trap. What was he gaining from it?

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2 years ago
You make an excellent point. Homosexuals were way down the list. Where are all the other insulted people? Maybe once being a thief is promoted in society as a good thing, they will all stand up and complain too 😆

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2 years ago
Unlike being homosexual, being a thief is a choice and a crime.

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2 years ago
I'm a fornicator I fornicated alot before I got married- not sorry!

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2 years ago
While homosexuality isn’t a crime, acting on those urges are a choice too. It’s the same as premarital sex or having an affair, you are acting out your urges. I don’t think that suppressing normal sexual desire is right or healthy but for highly religious people they believe it is required to show some sort of devotion to God. Again, it’s all bullshit but who am I to judge others choices in faith as long as they don’t hurt anyone else. Israel is just trying to do his “Christian duty” by spreading the word of the bible and if people didn’t like it they could have just scrolled passed. It isn’t like he locked them in a elevator and started screaming his ideology at them.

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2 years ago
^ Folau also had a choice. He chose to breech the terms of his contract. Willingly and knowingly. Now he has the consequences of it.

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2 years ago
But did he really breach his contract by being discriminatory? He simply said that if you are “this” my fairytale tells me you will go to a fictional place because this imaginary all mighty being doesn’t agree with you sucking another man’s dick or getting wasted on a Saturday night and fucking some random in the bathroom at the club. It would only be discrimination if in fact hell did exist and that should be taken up with God, not some footballer repeating the “rules”.

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2 years ago
^ apparently he did. Hence why he got kicked out.

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2 years ago
He did by according to his employer and sponsors, but will a court see it the same? If they do, does that mean that speaking about any “indecent” behaviour which will take you to “hell” will now be classed as hate speech? Will churches, mosques and other religious places of worship then be unable to preach about what will send you to hell? Will the bible, quran and other religious texts have to be rewritten as to not offend anyone? Does ruling this as hate speech and discrimination now mean that the general consensus the Australian government and Australian courts is that there is a heaven, hell, god and devil? As a secular society will this drag us back into being a Christian society?

ANSWER
2 years ago
The clubs have to stick by what is in the contract. They had to take action. He was warned repeatedly about saying things out of line, and he kept doing it.
Insulting LGTBI people is against the law, plain and simple.
If they did not take action against him it would create a precedent that would make it difficult to take action against the other, more usual form of misbehaviour that footballers get up to.
So he has backed them into a corner. And brought this on himself.
The biggest issue is does freedom of religious expression include the right to insult anyone who doesn't fit within your religious world view, and I think that's why all the extreme right wing religious people have energetically funded him. (Both Christian and probably Muslim).
ISIS supporters and preachers would be watching this with great interest, as if Folau had won, they would use it to justify the right to start up hate preaching again.
If Mundine was in a rugby club he would have to sign the same sort of contract, and he simply wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut and would have landed himself in trouble within months. Perhaps that's why he is in boxing.
Personally I think he is probably a good man, but preaching what he believes in a way that ignores the law has got him into trouble.

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2 years ago
To clarify : I meant Folau is a good man. Mundine is an arrogant idiot.

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2 years ago
While I don’t completely disagree with you. The real question here is this:
Is paraphrasing a religious text hate speech; and if so, does this also include the others that were listed on his post?
Does telling someone to “go to hell” now class as hate speech, or it is still going to be a figure of speech?

I think this will be an interesting court case because it’s really going to change a lot one way or another. It won’t make it possible though for ISIS to preach hate if he wins though, as hell is not exactly proven to be real but blowing up 100 people is. It is also going to show if society and the courts believe hell and heaven, as well as god, being real, not just religious folk tales.

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2 years ago
^ Just to add.
We can also see that RA, their sponsors and those who support this or believe it is hate speech must believe in hell, heaven and god. If they don’t, then they have created an issue over something they don’t even believe in.

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2 years ago
^ wow 😮 mind blown. Excellent points made. 🍿

ANSWER
2 years ago
I don't agree with Folau. I don't think that his message was in anyway representative of a good christian and that he was following the bibles or Jesus's teachings at all. Just pick and choosing the bits he likes best.
In terms of his contract, he was employed by Rugby Australia. He had clauses in his contract that he broke purposefully.
In my town, there have a been a few teachers who have been dismissed from their jobs teaching at Catholic schools because they don't fit their beliefs usually because they are LBGQTI. If they can be fired because they don't hold with the beliefs of their employers then why can't Folau be fired for the same. And why would he want to work for an organisation that doesn't uphold his christian beliefs? Go and find a christian rugby union, they won't pay as much though. Which makes him a hypercite in my eyes.

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2 years ago
Isn’t only spreading the good parts of the bible cherry picking too?

ANSWER
2 years ago
People have become too loose lipped! They spout shit they believe but are incorrect half the time! Everyone believes they deserve a hand out and people are always so hard done by.

Some people need to take their nappies off and out of their adult pants 👖

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2 years ago
Everyone on Santas naughty list will be getting lumps of coal for Christmas. No presents for you.

So sack me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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2 years ago
😂

ANSWER
2 years ago
It’s moved beyond the content of his posts and become an issue of free speech. People say things to offend others all the time. Just scroll through Instagram and Facebook. Where do we draw the line?

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2 years ago
Fool

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2 years ago
You’re entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

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2 years ago
We draw the line when people sign their agreement to not say certain things.

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2 years ago
You’re allowed to say what you like. But that does t mean you’re free of the consequences of it. Folau has to face his. It’s really as simple as that,

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2 years ago
You’re so wrong. This is about being vexatious because people didn’t agree with his bigoted views

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2 years ago
He’s a moron

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2 years ago
Although I didn’t entirely agree with the way Israel’s message was posted with regards to emphasis ... I entirely agree with the Bible and believe as a supposedly “Christian” country it is absolutely appalling that he has been persecuted for posting a Bible verse on his page. For anyone who knows how intricately the human body is and how all our systems function - it is preposterous to question the existence of a higher power or deity. However, I also understand that not everyone has had the opportunity or capacity to experience or see some of the experiences I have had and it may be harder for them to recognise and appreciate this. Although I believe Israel’s message was conveyed in a hard manner - the story here should be of love. Not of threat of damnation. However, like all good things there ARE consequences to rejecting that love. God’s love. The love bestowed on ALL human beings created in God’s image. The love that is so powerful and strong that despite the fact that we are humans and fallible - we are STILL loved. Accepting that love and recognising ourselves for what we are; sinners - is all we need for redemption. And that of itself is a miracle. Once you have truely realised the gift EVERY human can experience you won’t need to fear death. To wonder why you are on earth for, to put your treasures on earth where moth and rust corrupts them and thieves break through and steal. And that is where you learn to do good out of desire to please God - not make your way into heaven or avoid hell. Out of love. And if your story is not out of love... it is out of customs, rules and regulations. And these have no meaning but human meaning.

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2 years ago
Tosser of the highest order.

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2 years ago
He is a hypocrite!!! I am an atheist and have many friends who are very religious. Not once do we force our beliefs on each other as we respect each other too much for that. I personally don't care what he preaches in his own church. But (so I'm told) the bible also says that one shall not tattoo or mark ones body!!!! He sure does have a lot of tattoos!!!! He is also a very greedy man. He has the money to fight this in court. So he should use his own money, but he is too greedy to do that. I feel for those sick children who are fighting for their lives and fighting to get funding to help save their lives. He does not give one bit of consideration to those people as all he is thinking of his himself. He is a well known sportsman and kids look up to him. He should just shut his mouth up and not said anything and all would have been ok. I have no respect for him as a person what so ever. He doesn't know me and already has labeled me a heathen because I am an atheist. At least I respect people's choice, and religious choices and don't tell them that they are wrong, just because I don't believe in the bible. He drives around in expensive cars, owns millions of dollars in property, but yet is asking for money. So sick of hearing about him.

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2 years ago
I agree with you. He should have just kept his mouth shut

ANSWER
2 years ago
Some Muslims stand up and say anything they want to say and we are spineless to say anything. This guy gets up and quotes from the bible and gets crucified. BUT if you want to make public statements and you are high profile, you have to own the consequences of the statements.

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2 years ago
He breeched his contract. That’s the real issue here.

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2 years ago
Exactly he broke his contract that's where you're all getting confused.

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2 years ago
Please show me a case of a Muslim , representing brand with a signed contract of media conduct speaking against minority’s.


I don’t actually think he should have been fired, but I’m also not paying the PR bills.
And I’m not paying someone 4 million with an expectation of social media conduct.

But the go fund me is horrid and shamelesss and shows a poor side of his character.

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2 years ago
What does being a Muslim have to do with this?

One of the terms of his contract was not to speak out publically against the LGBTQI community and he did exactly that. So he absolutely should have been fired, otherwise what’s the point of a contract? Any Muslim player who did such a thing would have been fired too.

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2 years ago
Anthony Mundine is a Muslim with a contract who constantly is racist and against white people.

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2 years ago
^but does his contract say he’s not allowed to speak out against white people?

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2 years ago
Mundine has spoken very similarly to Folau and has also said some very outdated things about women. No one cries foul at him. In fact Mundine has publicly stated his support for Folau, even going as far as blaming racism for RA’s action against Folau.

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2 years ago
Agree 100%

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2 years ago
Again, is it in his contract that he can’t say those things? As far as Folau goes, that is the issue for me. I dont care about his opinions, but breaching his contract and then, despite having personal wealth crowd funding for his legal fees way beyond what they would have cost is my issue. What kind of person does that? Also, I think you will find lots of people have plenty to say about Mundine and his views.

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2 years ago
The real question here was if that clause was in his contract, or if he is telling the truth and signed the contracted without that clause in it.

I would also go as far to say that most major sponsors and sporting organisations share similar contracts with similar clauses. If this is the case Mundine would have broken several contracts unless he also said he did not want those clauses included.

As for the legal fees, with the appeal process and the type and number of lawyers he will require, the amount of time he will require them, as well as court fees, $3m wouldn’t be that much of an overreach.

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2 years ago
Mundine played NRL who are notoriously weak on conduct code. Union not so much.
He now boxes and the more controversy and hate for him the more boxing entities get paid. Negative PR affects them and their code VERY differently.
Apples and oranges.
I should have specified. Name an example in union.

It’s got NOTHINg to do with christians and muslims, we are a Christian country for god sake who celebrate all nation holidays by a Christian calendar .


Now I don’t actually think he should have been fired, just docked pay. BUT we don’t know what was going on behind the scenes. Maybe everyone was sick of him and it was an easy out.
Maybe they were sick of the PR headaches.

But the go fund me it just sad.

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2 years ago
And Mundine is just as publicly loathed lol.

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2 years ago
Not only mention Mundine still had issues with selection in the NRL

Which the moral of the story is regardless of religion ....
if you’re an asshole your talent will only get you so far.


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2 years ago
RA didn’t pull his contract because of their ethics or morals, they did it because Qantas threatened to pull their sponsorship. I find it hypocritical that Qantas want to cry about this but continue to fly to countries that still impose the death penalty for homosexuality. I suppose when it comes to making money their morals fly out the window, unlike Folau’s.

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2 years ago
If mundine was stung by a bee he'd find some way to it blame it on racism. He's a massive f**khead too

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2 years ago
his a d^*khead! And I wish the media would stop talking about him! Waste of time and space!

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2 years ago
Just another tool who can't handle the consequences of his actions. He breached Rugby Australia's code of conduct (the same code that every player must abide by) and was given multiply warnings about his online behave and now he wants to play the victim. He knew the consequences but thought that he was above them. I wish the media would stop giving him air time and free coverage, so that we don't have to hear from him or his supporters again...because most people wouldn't have known about his go fund me campaign if the media didn't advertise it. I think that it's important to remember that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences!

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2 years ago
This is sooo true!

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2 years ago
He’s a loser and an embarrassment to Australian sports

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2 years ago
SELFISH !!!!

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2 years ago
I don't agree with what he said but don't really care either. There's far worse written on social media every day. There's much bigger issues to get offended by. As far fundraising, he's not forcing anyone to give him money and the people donating are bigots who probably would never have donated any money to the other more worthy causes anyway. If anything it has done those causes good anyway because donations to them increased when people started donating out of protest to Folau's campaign.

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2 years ago
WANKER!