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Why is it that I can't buy a house because of my income/children but I'm deemed financially responsible to pay off someo

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Why is it that I can't buy a house because of my income/children but I'm deemed financially responsible to pay off someone else's mortgage?

So I can't even borrow $120,000 (just over $60,000 income) because I have four children.
But I can rent out a house at $400 to pay someone else's mortgage ?
And I'm deemed financially responsible to be able to do that? But not pay my own mortgage?

Fuck capitalism


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ANSWER
4 years ago
Dont worry OP, keep working toward your housing goal, the market is going to CRASH you will be able to buy a house under $100000 soon, just bide your time, good luck x

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3 years ago
When’s it gonna crash? Lol it just keeps skyrocketing

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4 years ago
I know...and unless you have someone willing to be a guarantor for you or if you have someone willing to purchase a property with you, you’re pretty much stuffed.
Paying $400 per week in rent should count for something - it’s crazy.
I was paying $2K per month in rent and couldn’t get a home loan. I was extremely lucky to have someone willing to buy a house with me to get my foot in the door.
In the meantime, keep saving to add to your deposit for when you can buy.


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4 years ago
I feel sorry for all those people that went guarantor for people now. If the kids lose the house so do the parents. It's going to get messy out there.

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4 years ago
The system is fucked, bring on the carnage in the housing market I say!

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4 years ago
Wow imagine being this excited about your friends and family losing mountains of hard earned money on their homes just because you could never be financially responsible enough to buy your own. 😬

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4 years ago
Imagine imaging an imaginary scenario where they think they know the person who commented & the financial history of not only them but everyone their close to...awkward.

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4 years ago
Imagine being so greedy that you need multiple houses.
Can you live in 3 houses at once?
Greed and stupidity

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4 years ago
Rentals are needed and they have to be owned by someone. Not everyone wants to buy. Students and people who move a lot for work don't want to be buying a house every time they move. It's not all evil doom and gloom.

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4 years ago
I cant wait!

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4 years ago
Rentals aren’t really needed to anywhere near the degree they are available. If they weren’t everywhere then housing affordability would easier for everyone. I get where you are coming from but it’s not really true to apply. Investment property purchasing has really skewed society. Why would someone work hard when their ‘friend’ who lucked out, or had a leg up or just went nuts buying property, made 100k in a year doing nothing? It is actually explored in great detail how this really depresses people and discourages people from working hard. I would also like to see carnage in the housing market.. because it’s in need of a reset. People shouldn’t be buying the biggest place they can afford..they should be buying what they can afford, deposits should be much higher also. I feel sorry for the OP

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4 years ago
I like you

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4 years ago
So many people with such little understanding of economics 🤦🏼‍♀️

Also almost every 18-25 year old could save enough of a deposit for an apartment.
Barring and disability or debilitating issue.
But how many 18 year olds do you see saving deposits?
Then they turn into 34 year olds with 3 kids who blame the housing market for their life choices.

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4 years ago
I also like you

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4 years ago
REVOLUTION!!!

ANSWER
4 years ago
You are assuming the house you rent is positively geared. Most rentals arent

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4 years ago
Then thats their loss. You should have sold it. Would you keep shares that were losing you money? Just because the government gives you money to keep doing it does make it right what happens when the gravy train ends?! This. Don't try & pretend you were doing some kind of social service you were trying to "get ahead" of your neighbours, coworkers, friends, family, children & grandchildren. Pushing everyone out of the market that didn't jump in at the correct time. It was greed pure & simple. If you gamble you don't always win.

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4 years ago
I just read an article stating 58% of rental properties in Australia are negatively geared!
Makes me angry really. Society is fucked

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4 years ago
Yes 👏 yes it is. It's been screwing up the system for too long.

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4 years ago
Wtf..i dont have a rental property i was just answering ops question truthfully

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4 years ago
If your investment isn't making you money and needs to be negatively geared it's either a bad investment or you're just doing a dodgy on your tax

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4 years ago
Exactly

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4 years ago
The sad thing is I hear home owners all the time excited about negative gearing. Unfortunately I feel like our generation is the one that will screw the next one over when it crashes because of this quick mentality.

ANSWER
4 years ago
It's about responsibility for your choices.
Don't be upset that someone else made better choices.

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4 years ago
😆

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4 years ago
Some people aren't responsible enough to borrow a LOT of money to.

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4 years ago
Agree. Some people get approved to borrow a huge chunk of money, borrow the maximum they can and then realise it is not realistic paying back $650 a week, especially when their relationship breaks down and find they cannot remortgage to have the loan in their name only and have to sell, and come out with $50,000 debt with nothing to show for it, because they couldn't get whey they needed to cover the loan amount, and they cannot pay $650 a week by themselves.
Seems to happen a little too often 😔

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4 years ago
The problem is that the world needs people who can't afford to buy, so that the people with 6 investment properties have some dickhead to pay their mortgage.
If there wasnt people stuck in this situation, then they wouldn't be as many people paying off someone else's house.
That's the type of society you all voted for.

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REPLY
4 years ago
True but we will see. I've been watching very very closely. It was coming before the virus but its on fast forward now. There's alot of whispers & signs. The whole industry is working really hard to hide it because once it's out everyone will panic sell. Not reporting non sales so it won't make the clarence rate go down. Alot of houses for sale now don't have advertise pricing. There will br a reckoning.

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4 years ago
I live in a nice street in an older suburb in a smaller city.
My street alone at one point about two years ago, had 11 houses for lease. 4 ended up being rented, 6 of these are still empty and are now for sale (listed between 12-18 months ago), with no tenants. And there are still about 4 other houses up for lease.
This was before corona too!
I'm guessing being an investor isn't all its cracked up to be when you can't find anyone to fill your home.

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4 years ago
Yep. We are in the same boat! But pay $750 rent weekly!!

Too many kids (4/ both parents work)

ANSWER
4 years ago
Banks are being particularly cautious now. Keep saving - the more deposit you have the stronger position you are in. It’s not easy but it’s really about the risks in the financial markets at the moment rather than you as an individual.

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4 years ago
To the banks I mean. Obviously to you it is deeply personal and important. Didn’t mean that to sound mean sorry

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4 years ago
I wonder what happens on the other side of this. If it all goes to hell & there's houses being taken by the banks all over the place when it's all done, they'll have to relax the credit restrictions a little bit surely?

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4 years ago
Because you can't afford the responsibility on 60k with 4 children but your landlord can if you stop paying. Duh. If you want to buy a home.and you think you're financially in a position to do so then start saving.

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4 years ago
Seriously, why the ‘duh’....?

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4 years ago
So why then should someone earning 60k be financially responsible paying off YOUR mortgage?

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4 years ago
Capitalism!! Everyone thinks it's brilliant... But the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
I guess everyone loves sucking the d**k of the fat cats though because they keep voting for this shot 😡

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4 years ago
Agreed 👍

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4 years ago
Read above and you’ll find out exactly why.

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4 years ago
I didn’t write the comment, but the “duh” is there because it should be easy to understand why. I’m not going to explain it but a few others in this thread have explained it well.

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4 years ago
Because they aren't financially responsible for the landlords mortgage. It's not their name on the mortgage. The bank isn't going to come after the tenant if the landlord doesn't pay their mortgage. The only person financially responsible for the landlords mortgage is the landlord.

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4 years ago
Some good points here. Also, there are a lot more costs involved in owning a home to renting one. When you own it, you have to pay the water and shire rates, all repairs and upgrades etc. When renting, the owner covers all that. You being able to afford all that on top of your mortgage repayments gets factored in by the banks. So you may be able to afford $400 per week rent, but need $600-$700 per week to own it (mortgage and extra costs)

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4 years ago
Very good explanation

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4 years ago
Bloody good question! And a problem i have been dealing with for years too.

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4 years ago
The Royal commission has caused banks to tighten lending to a ridiculous degree.

A bank is loaning someone hundreds of thousands of dollars. A landlord just takes a few hundred a week. If you don't pay rent they can get a new tenant. If you default on a home loan it's an expensive process and a risk the bank won't get the money back if the house has depreciated (like right now). I hate banks as much as anyone but understand they are businesses, and are mitigating their risk.

60k with 4 kids. Can you afford it when interest rates rise? Can you afford rates (mine are 2k a year), maintenance (I just spent $1000 on minor services and repairs)? Houses are expensive.

On the subject of guarantors. FFS don't ever be one/ask anyone to be yours. So much risk. The bank WILL come after the guarantor & take their own home.

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4 years ago
Because if you can’t pay your rent it isn’t of as high a consequence for others or the bank, you simply get evicted.
You have 3x the chance of things going wrong with 2 dependants because that’s two extra people who could need car of make it unable to pay said mortgages.

Sure you can afford 120k mortgage now, but can you afford it if the intrest rate goes up to 6-10%?