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Very disruptive children in classrooms

Has anyone had an experience with this? We have had a child suspended repeatedly like 15+ times, and the child is only year three.. I’m really confused with the path to take and with who can affect this in the public system. I know complaints have been made to the department, by a few parents, the teachers are destroyed and the school is unable to really make any change to fix this in any way..just little care plans in the evident of this or that..... it feels like the headmaster is trapped and unable to do anything being a public system,

The parent is very withdrawn and obviously going through hell, personally and likley the family, but the child is so detrimental to other kids and the drama involved is shocking for little children to see this unfolding.. Has anyone been there?


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Has anybody considered the disruptive child may have ADHD or autism or some other medical issue that either hasn't been diagnosed or isn't being treated appropriately? I have a friend with a child who has only just been diagnosed with both of the above-mentioned issues but her parents tried to get help (and a diagnosis) for over a year. I appreciate a disruptive child can be detrimental to the whole class but maybe that mum needs some support rather than being labeled as a poor parent. Just my two cents worth...

 True- but I've also met parents who've absolutely refused to get a diagnosis as they feel there is nothing wrong with their child.
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 Some kids are spoilt
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 So they should be

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 I've a similar friend, but truth be told, she would just dump her kid at school to be rid of him and he knew it so the issues were worse. She'd complain that the principal kept wanting meetings because it interrupted her free time.
Unfortunately, 2nd (NT) child is displaying same behaviour issues.

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 Op here, the general consesnsus is that the child has family stress, a very messy family situation. Health professionals have been involved but because it is mental health related a helper isn’t offered
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The Headmaster needs to kick up about this. I know when I was teaching any Headmaster who did not put up with this sort of thing ran a good school, with good discipline, and happy productive teachers, with well performing students.
Those who said they could not do anything had all sorts of bad behaviour quite common: from bullying teachers to toxic behaving students.
And it gets worse, not better, until strong action is taken.
This is the perspective of an ex teacher from a public system.
The cost to all the other children in the class is horrendous. The teacher will not have any time to teach, all their time will be spent trying to control or pacify the trouble making child.
Schools are being made to contain ( I was going to say "manage") children who are so disturbed they should not be in a normal school system.
But it is impossible to manage them in what is supposed to be a "learning" environment.

Have child services been called about this ? It certainly needs to be escalated if the school personnel are at their wits end, and the department are abdicating their responsibilities.
And the parent likely needs professional help.
Possibly "A Current Affair" ?
Unfortunately in this modern world that seems to be the only "complaints system" that works. Organisations seem to have no internal complaints system that actually fixes problems, and don't take any action until they are publicly embarrassed into doing so.
Its just abdication of responsibility.

 It sounds like there is enough trauma occuring already without introducing the media.
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 No its a lack of funding for education support.
Foreign aid should stop and those funds should be put into support for children who need it. Simples.

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 Op here, thank you for all your words, it’s really nice to have a teachers perspective. Although I would never go to a show, I completely get where you are coming from. The children are witnessing physical attacks on the teacher and it’s interesting that it is a headmaster area, because he does lack a backbone! I Think you recognise this , it’s messed up and I’m not sure what can be done,
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As a parent of a child who's disruptive and constantly in trouble at school, it's really stressful. Your judgement isn't helpful. Teachers work together with parents and other health professionals (including child mental health if needed) to come up with solutions to keep a child engaged in school and behaviors kept to a minimum.
I'm aware it's stressful on everyone else, but really what are your complaints going to achieve for the child in question, who also legally needs to attend school?

 Op here I’m sorry you are on the other side. However I don’t think I was being judgemental at all. Everyone is screwed in this situation. I would hope that complaints would get the child and family the help he needs and to not further traumatise others in the class who cannot understand what the situation means as they are so young. In the situation the child is not getting any real help as far as I am aware as mentioned because it is a “mental health” problem, no teachers aid or anything, which is beyond belief.
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 The funding around these issues is tricky.
Eg depression, odd etc can mean the school can access funding and a teacher's assistant.
Adhd diagnosis even medicated, cannot.

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My son had an autistic, non verbal, violent child in his kindy class. Several times a day the children would be evacuated to the class next door to escape the violent behaviour. At school level there was nothing that could be done. They’d follow procedure, call the child’s parents, but the parents would always blame the teacher saying they must have done something to set him off. The other parents eventually went to education dept with complaints and the child was removed. My son at age three should not have had to witness violent behaviour and be afraid of going to school. Other kids should not be disrupted by one kids constant bad behaviour. It’s sad for the child as he needed help and no one was giving it to him.

 I don’t know if it’s different per state but the child would have been eligible for an aide of some sort or government funding for some in centre help. As someone else mentioned, what are they supposed to do, keep the child at home when he needs to learn to integrate into the world?
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 The child had his own teachers aid. There was a teacher and a teachers assistant. Three adults could not control the child. They had to install a phone in the classroom to get immediate help. He broke a teachers nose, and bruised and scratched the others daily. He jumped on a girls arm during rest time. He tipped desks and bookshelves over. He also hated clothes and would strip naked while running riot through the classroom.
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If it’s Australia there is little the principle can do except keep suspending them. It’s a sad situation, we are experiencing it in high school. The other kids including your own will build resilience. This is life unless you put your kids in a private school but they have their own issues too.

It can be quite powerful to go to your regional office or equivalent, that is, above the headmaster.
There are sometimes regional resources, like ED units, which can be utilised in extreme cases.
It varies from state to state of course.

 Do you mean department of education? Phone calls have been made and it is interesting that they don’t have many complaints on their file when I would have expected it considering the history, is that the sign of a failing?
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 Yep - to the relevant department in your state. Usually there is some sort of regional supervisor for a large areas of schools.
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Look at the book "Lost at school" by Ross Greene. Also "The explosive child" by Ross Greene and"The B Team" on Facebook.

 Op here, awesome will do.
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