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Do you think immunising against usually mild illnesses like the flu and chickenpox needs more research done on long term affects on population health?

These immunisations were originally for people who needed it and their families but to encourage mass immunisation against illnesses that we have been building our own immunity to over thousands of years makes me feel anxious, like its getting done without much thought to the future. Our bodies have an amazing defense against chickenpox, get it once and thats it! Then as you get older being exposed to kids who have chickenpox gives even more immunity and keeps Shingles away. Now we don't have that. We have an immunisation that they think lasts 20 years. So we will have adults with chicken pox and more cases of Shingles for those who have not had the exposure. Then theres the flu vaccine, the worst flu outbreak already followed by the best, most immunised, flu season of last year? The flu virus changes all the time to challenge our immune systems, how can we handle it if we don't change with it? Would you like to see more research done?

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The flu is so 'mild' that its killed 30 people in my state alone this year 🙄

 How many were elderly? How many had compromised immune systems? It happens every year for these people, if not the flu it would be something else. My own Nan died from pneumonia after getting the flu, she was 102 years old. Anything could have killed her.
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 A 15 year old girl from SA has died from this years flu
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 ^Bitch please. If they are elderly that is irrelevant!!! If we all immunize we can protect the more vulnerable with the herd protection.
How dare you imply that elderly deaths are less important!! Shame on you.

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 I'm not saying they are less important, I am saying that their immune systems are weak and if the flu can kill them then any virus can. Im not being a bitch its called old age and life.
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 ^bitch please. So a child with lupus (an auto immune disease) will die because it's "just life"???
Herd protection bitch.
Let's protect all. No life too old nor young. All lives are important.
Go to the hospital in your city. Talk to the actual medical doctors. Not the clowns with a phD in general art who call them selves doctors.
Talk to bereaved families.
Talk to the doctors.
Talk to the funeral directors.
Then we'll talk turkey, bitch.

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 I heard about a healthy 9 yo boy who ended up in the ICU and almost died of the flu. Anyone can get it. Not just those with compromised immune systems are at risk
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 Pneumonia
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 Is there a need to call me names? I'm not being a bitch I'm just asking questions. My comment was in reference to the elderly, I actually say it in my response not sure how you got confused but there you are.
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Yeah You’ve never had the flu.

 I'm nearly 40 and I have had it at least 3 times.
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 Yeah nah you haven't
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 I can guarantee you that I have 😂. I have had plenty of illnesses over the years, I know what the flu is I don't need someone who doesn't even know me telling me I haven't had it, how ridiculous. Its not cancer its the flu, most healthy people recover from it.
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 I’m a nurse, this year our hospital alone has seen 5 flu deaths, one being a very healthy strong boy (teenager)
Iv seen people in their prime be brought to the brink by the flu.
Some people we see come through, just have oxygen and fluid and are sent him after one night but remain sick for 2/3 weeks.

Though I agree chickenpox is more harmless than harmful (though we it’s bad it’s horrid) you are just plain wrong about the flu. And no I don’t think you’ve had it either or you’d know how bad it gets, just the secondary virus’ and infections it can spur alone tell you how serious it can be.

I rarely ever see people with chicken pox.
See people with the flu literally daily and it’s fu****g brutal.

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 I have had it, I'm not sure how its possible to work my job for the last 20 years without getting it but anyway you all seem to know my medical history.

So you are agreeing with me this year has been the worst flu season, which has followed the best flu season. Do you find that strange? Had the boy had his flu shot previous years?

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 Why do you think it’s strange?
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 No he hadn’t.

And you’ll find the majority not minority actually get flu vaccines

One of the reasons this season is so bad, is it went through a nursing home and so the numbers are pretty skewed for this year as there were a fair few deaths from that.

Iv had the flu before when I was about 16 - and I was an athlete who never got sick- and I was hospitalised for 5 days sent home remained sick for a week then it turned into phenomena and I was back in hospital for like 2/3 nights... and I was sick for another week (like couldn’t leave bed sick) then I was unwell for another 2 weeks after that.
And I was an unimmunised child completely.

No I don’t think immunisations are responsible for the large outbreak this year.

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 I’m the flu is not a mild illness. It’s very serious even in healthy adults with a full immune system and is always treated as very serious if someone presents with the flu.


But hey what would I know... it’s just my profession and something I see every day

I’m sure your much more educated since you’ve had it three times and maybe used google a bit.

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 😆😆😆😆 from the Casual reader
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 The flu gets treated very seriously at your hospital? 😂. Yeah I don't think you're a nurse.
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 As I said, in 2 months we’ve had 5 deaths from influenza. Bet your arse we take it seriously, they are a 3 in triage.
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 You mean people who have complications? Because I'm not sure how you could do that with just normal flu symptoms.
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Immunisation is constantly being researched and the long term effect are looked at. Unfortunately for the poor kids that have parents who don't believe in vaccinations end up suffering from Darwinism.

 Lol
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The flu is not a mild illness!

 It is. How many cases of the flu are there every normal year? It has a very low death rate. More people die from gastro every year.
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 Most people who think they have the flu actually have a really bad cold. They are very different, and often confused. Many people have already died from the flu this year. It isn’t mild. Not at all.
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 How many people have had the flu this year? Thats the point I was saying, strange how we were at the highest immunisation rate last year, followed by a very bad season this year. It is earlier than the normal flu season too. I would love to see more research over the long term.
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 One person who dies is one person too many, don’t you think? But there have already been about 100 deaths in Australia already this flu season. Hardly a small number. It’s absolutely ridiculous calling an illness people die from mild.
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 It isn’t strange at all. The immunisation you got last year only protects you from last years strain. You need to get immunised again for this years flu. The vaccine isnt going to eradicate the flu in the same way the polio vaccine eradicated polio. It’s only going to protect you for one flu season. Thought everyone knew that!
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 Thank god someone knows what they are talking about
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 Why doesn't anyone understand what I am trying to say? I know it changes. I think i literally say that in my post. What i would like more info on is, if the flu changes every year, and we are getting immunised against it, arent we setting our immune systems up for failure as we are not adjusting with the virus?
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 Here's a thought why not visit a gp and have a debate with them? They'll answer all your questions.
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 Well I know my GP agrees the flu is a mild illness so not sure we would be disagreeing on much.
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To the Person who asked this question:
You need to read up on the deadly epidemic of "Spanish Flu" in 1918. It killed more young and healthy people than elderly.
One 5th of the worlds population caught it, and it killed 50 million.
That was in the days before any immunisation, so having caught the flu previously was no protection at all.
You don't develop any immunity to flu.
A new strain mutates in the digestive tracts of ducks every year, and spreads among bird populations. Many of them migrate across the world, and spread it. It often originates in China because they traditionally have a large number of ducks roaming free among human populations.
So you couldn't hide from it even before people flew around the world in aeroplanes and spread it.
You never know when this years strain is going to be a deadly one, like 1918, or the SARS epidemic in the 1990's.
The big issue is that people who did not live through the horror of these epidemics don't understand how terrible they are.

 The vaccine will not help you against different strains, you're still screwed if they make a comeback. Maybe even more so because your immune system will be weaker.
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 Viruses mutate, so you need to get vaccinated against the latest strain each flu season. Your immune system is no protection against deadly strains of viruses.

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Extensive research has been done for many many years!!! Don’t come and say shit that makes you sounds stupid.

Research before starting an argument

I can't believe the stupidity of some people. I didn't vote in the poll because there was no "You're a f***king nutbag" option.

 exactly this!
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I am 30, I got shingles last year across one side of my face. It caused hearing loss in one ear and facial scarring.
I saw not long ago there was a shingles vaccine! I thought that was great! Older people could not have handled it like my body could, and I struggled

 If you had been exposed to Chickenpox during your adult life you most likely would not have got shingles, thats my point.
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 You can only get shingles if you've had chicken pox. After you have had chicken pox the virus lays dormant in your body. It may be reactivated at times when your immune system is extremely compromised, and at that time it is known as shingles.
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 Exposure to it strengthens your immunity. This is well documented. Lack of exposure means weakened immunity which results in Shingles. Billions of people have had Chicken pox, if it were so easy to get shingles it would be a massive problem.
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 I've just looked for this well documented information that being around people with chicken pox increases your immunity to shingles but couldn't locate anything? Do you have a specific source because it goes against everything I learnt about shingles when I was diagnosed with it.
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 https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/why-are-children-in-the-uk-not-vaccinated-against-chickenpox/

This is the UK's official health website explaining why they dont offer chicken pox vaccine to all kids.

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 Interesting! I wonder why the UK and Australia have different approaches? Maybe different research with different results, or different vaccines? Very curious!
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 I'm the one who got shingles last year and i had chicken pox as a kid.
My whole family had chicken pox as kids. We all have had shingles as adults, although they all had on their back/torso, I am only one who had it on face. My dad has shingles flare ups probably every 3-5 years but as he's nearing 70, it now takes him months to recover.
If chicken pox vaccines helps stop shingles in adulthood that is fantastic! Cos it's shut balls

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 That website actually contradicts itself!
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 The NHS in the UK doesn't vaccinate for chickenpox to based on some VERY shaky 'concerns' that doing so increases the percentage of people who get chickenpox or shingles as an adult. Most recent studies are now showing this is NOT the case, as proved by countries where they do vaccinate children for chickenpox. So it's likely they will soon change this policy.
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 How have studies shown that when we have only just started mass immunisation over the last 10 years? We wont know the long term issues until they arise, they are not even sure how long the vaccine lasts. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 10 to 20 years.
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 Um, simples babe. In the last ten years, in countries where they vaccinate against chickenpox in childhood, there hasn't been an increase in cases of adult shingles or chickenpox.

This is pretty basic stuff. Do you understand how statistics work?

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 There hasn't been an increase in adult chicken pox because nearly 100% of the adult population has either had chicken pox or been vaccinated!!! So when the generations start coming through adulthood that are 100% immunised by vaccination, a vaccination that may only provide 20 years of immunity, they might be left with no immunity if it wears off and they dont get boosters. Then they might go on a holiday or come in contact with a tourist that is contagious and bang we have an outbreak of adult chicken pox which is dangerous. Hence why it would take 10 to 20 years to see if it really would cause problems. Shingles, I have already explained how Shingles could get worse I'm not explaining that again. Next time you try and be condescending maybe you could read previous posts first so you don't look like an idiot.
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This has got to be one of the dumbest anti vax threads I've read yet.

You can only get shingles if you've had chicken pox. Not ever having chicken pox is what protects you from shingles.

The chicken pox immunisation has never been an absolute protection against contracting chicken pox. It creates an immune response within humans so that if exposed to the real virus, our immune system recognises it and knows how to respond. Having the immunisation increases the chance you won't contract it and lessens the symptoms if you do.

Unlike measles, in a healthy person the chicken pox virus rarely has significant complications but for those whose immune systems are compromised, they are dependent on others being vaccinated for herd immunity protection.

As for the flu, if you have had it, you'd know that it is absolutely debilitating for months and even in the most fit and healthy of us, can be deadly. Again for those who are immune compromised, they rely on herd protection and again, having the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get it, but it may lessen the symptoms and duration of symptoms.

If you knew anything about the flu and the vaccines, you'd know that there are many strains of flu and the vaccine doesn't and can't protect against all.

Here is Australia we look to parts of the world that have already had their flu season and immunize against the strains identified in those countries.

You can still contract a strain not covered in the immunisation.

Lastly, vaccine research is constant.

I would like to see a vaccine against conjunctivitis and tonsillitis

Remember the tribe on that island who murdered the American who tried to teach them about God? They had never been exposed to our illnesses and the common cold could kill them. Thats what I'm thinking will happen with the flu if we keep immunising against it.

 As it is always mutating, I doubt that will happen.
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 Sigh, there are real experts on this topic.download conversations on abc podcasts. There was an leading immunisation specialist who spoke at lengths about immunisations, his opinion I trust because he actually knows the history, not like this poll person who thinks they are suddenly an expert for a few hours of reading.
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 https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/david-isaacs/11065022 In fact I did it for you.. so now no excuses
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This is an educated speculative question there has been huge research into these severe sometimes fatal illnesses not just a mild illness

 Sorry I meant uneducated that damn auto correct
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 It is mild, it is serious for those with complicated immune systems but every illness is.
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My girl just got chickenpox (shes immunised) it wasn't as severe as when i got them as a child. Still itchy and spots over her body but only a few were like the blisters. Its clearling up pretty quickly too. There are other risks that came with chickenpox back then (brain infection and pneumonia) that wasn't a major risk factor here. Which i am grateful for.

 My immunised kids had it too a few years ago. They had probably 10 spots between them and very mild cold like symptoms. If they didn’t have confirmed case of chicken pox I wouldn’t have kept them in isolation for the required 2’weeks.

When I got them as a kid, there was no vaccine and every inch of me was covered in spots and I was quite unwell.

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This is tge first year myself and my kids, my sister and her kids hace ever had the flu vaccine - because there has been so much publicity. Probably sane for a lot of peoole which os wht vaccine rates are up. My niece had it recently and it was BRUTAL, she was so, so sick